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30 | Turning Passion into Muscles | Joshua Bachand

30 | Turning Passion into Muscles | Joshua Bachand

From Odd Jobs to Muscles


Meet Joshua, a perpetual seeker of fulfillment, who wandered through an array of odd jobs, searching for purpose. Despite the uncertainty, one constant remained—his love for fitness. In the gym, he found solace, a sanctuary where his passion thrived. Joshua took a leap of faith, transitioning into a career as a personal trainer. Guiding others toward their fitness goals became his calling.

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From Odd Jobs to Fitness: A Journey of Self-Discovery

Finding Purpose: The Odyssey of an Odd Job Enthusiast Turned Personal Trainer

Odd Jobs to Fitness: Unraveling the Path to Passion

Wandering to Wellness: The Story of an Odd Job Nomad Turned Personal Trainer

Discovering Strength: A Tale of Odd Jobs and Fitness Passion

Embracing Change: From Odd Job Hopper to Fitness Leader

The Fitness Odyssey: From Odd Jobs to Personal Trainer Extraordinaire

Odd Jobs, Fit Life: How One Wanderer Found Their Calling

The Evolution of Passion: Odd Jobs to Fitness Fulfillment

From Oddities to Fitness Focus: A Personal Trainer's Journey

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Hey, all.


This is Elyse Robinson

with Nobody Wants to Work, No.




Today, we have Joshua Bunchard.


And go ahead and introduce

yourself, Joshua.



How are you doing?


Thank you, Elyse,

for allowing me to introduce myself.


My name is Joshua Banshaad,

and I'm grateful for this opportunity


to share why I've changed

over to what I've...


From one career to another.


And I'm actually deep diving

in my purpose, and I'll share that here.


Yes, I'm a real believer

of walking in your purpose.




So what did you want

to be when you grew up?


Or then, grown up?



So growing up, honestly,


when my stepdad was alive, God rest

and so I thought about being a plumber.


And later on,

as I got older, that idea faded away and


I ended up getting into personal training

because I fell in love with fitness


and wanting to help people

become healthier versions of themselves.


I'm curious, though, why did

you not want to be a plumber?


Because when I was a kid,

I wanted to be a vet.


But I'm trying to sit here

and think why I didn't want...


Oh, why I didn't want to be a vet anymore?


Because I learned that they had

to go to school for 15 years.


And I'm like, That is

going to work for me.


Well, I've always been very active.


So with me being very active and becoming


a personal trainer I'm helping others

become a little bit more active and get


some energy back that they may have lost

from being out of shape and unhealthy.


So that was more interesting to me.

Got you.


You got to burn up the energy.


Okay, I see.


All right, so where did your career begin?


What was your very first career

before you got the personal training?


Before I bounced around.


I never had a career.


I became a personal trainer.


I'll Honest, my background is

a lot of street, unfortunately.


But I learned a lot,

and I'm still here and alive and well,


and again, able to walk in my purpose,

which I'm very I'm grateful for.


That's where my path really entailed.




And what was the catalyst that made

you want to become a personal trainer?


Did you have this thought of becoming

a personal trainer when you were a kid or


something happened that made you

want to become a personal trainer?


Being around people that looked unhealthy

and never being a person that made fun


of overweight people, but look

at them as a way, how can I help them?


Because I love people.


Again, I was always working on training


in the gym,

and I chose to make a career out of it so


I could get paid to help

people get healthy.


That's funny because as an entrepreneur,

and you hear people talk about, Don't


make your love or your passion into a


career because you end up hating it.


Do you hate it at any point in time?


I mean, did you think about that?


I don't think The thing with it is because

I love it, it doesn't feel like work.


I don't know because I run into that a

lot of times as I'm an entrepreneur.


One thing that I created during

COVID was a tech freebie website.


I launched it.


I got my first customer,

literally the first day it launched.


I made it to help myself.


Then somebody I knew was like,

You should make money off of it.


I was like, Okay, well, shoot.



Then once I got into doing it, every day,


once a week or whatever,

I started to hate it.


I'm like, This is work,

but maybe I don't like the work.


Maybe that's the problem.


It could be it.


I'm not going to say that.


I'm supposed to be rich.


Let me see.


All things come at a cost.


What did it cost you along the way?


Not just as in price,

Do you have any certifications?


Did your family think you were crazy

trying to become a personal trainer


because you don't have

big muscles or whatever?


No, I mean, I

think there is always a cost.


There's an investing.


I went from getting several certifications


and studying intensely

because I needed that.


In order to pass.

I'm not the easy.


I'm not the one that retains well.


So there was a whole lot of highlighting,


tutoring, and taking tests several times,

and then finally passing.


And then being able to humble myself

knowing that I'm not going to get paid


faith, nor should I deserve to

at a good rate in the beginning.


So that was a little bit of a

struggle for a short period of time.


So, yeah, getting paid minimum wage.


I mean, not just minimum wage,

it was more so like a sales.


You're getting bait.


When you're starting off in the gym as


a personal trainer,

as a newbie in that field, you're


not getting a wage,

but you're also not getting clients.


And getting clients is the only way


to make money because

it's based off commission.


You get a percentage off

of each client that you do get.


So that was definitely a sacrifice.


And getting up early in the morning


to repeat that

day, which would start at 5:00 AM


and maybe end at 6:00,

7:00 PM and then repeat that.


Hoping for a better day the next day.


But I learned a lot.




No, I don't miss those days.


Don't miss them at all.


I remember those days.


But you have to put the work

in in order to get to where you are.


I tell people that all the time,

especially the young people.


I don't know what's up with these young


people that think that they

don't have to put in no work.


Then they have this idea in their

head that work is supposed to be fun.


I'm like, Work ain't

necessarily supposed to be fun.


There's a very small percentage of people


where they get to live

out the funness of work.


But I say most people just never get that.


The whole definition of work is

a negative connotation with it.


Where do you get off that work

is supposed to be fun?


They complain about stupid things.


They're not being sexually harassed.


It's not racial discrimination or gender

discrimination or something like that.


But they're, Oh, well,

I don't have any passion for it.


I'm like, But you...


So I'm confused.


It's different.


But my whole idea of work is

so I can live a certain lifestyle,


and then outside of work, I can pursue

the things that I actually love.


I don't want my job stress in me,

and my lifestyle has to be good.


That's why I'm an accountant

because it meshes with my lifestyle.


I don't really care for accounting 99.


9% of time, but it pays me bills.


Let me see what else.


Let's see.


You said that you did other things.


What was the process on switching

to being a personal trainer?


Because I understand

that sales is a big thing.


What type of certifications did you get?


How did you get someone to take a chance


on you and say, Hey,

can I be a personal trainer at your gym?




And how did you get someone

to take a chance on you?


Well, to get there,


I had to work all the nends as

far as jobs to make sure that those are


getting paid in the meantime because I

wasn't living with my parents any longer.


So that waiting on commission,


money still had to come

from somewhere while doing that.


But as far as getting a chance,


I looked around for low-wing gyms

that would just give me an opportunity.


And I've always been in good shape.


So that helped.


Did you want to look to Park, too?


And that was always a big deal to me being



being in great shape and being



having experience in those areas.


And as far as certifications,

I got a national certification,


and then I also

I also got a certification in nutrition,


got another one in group training,

and then the rest of it really just came


with experience because the

certifications don't give you experience.


They give you insight and knowledge on how


to move the body a certain way,

especially in the time.


Because every individual

client is very unique.


So whether they have an injury or they're

trying to gain muscle,


but they already have muscle,

they want more or they want to lose fat.


It could be dealing with a woman that just


had a baby four, five, six months out

from having a baby.


So it's always different

dealing with ages as well.


I never trained teenagers

or anything like athletes.


I always train men.


I'm 46 now, but I've always trained men

really close to my age.


So I was always training men older

than me when I was in my 30s.


Let's see.


Yeah, I did physical therapy.


What year is it?



I did six months of physical therapy

because I have tons and tons of injuries.


You do?

I did.





Played sports?


No, I never played sports.






One doctor told me that I have



So my phalanges and stuff move too much.




When I was a kid,

I never did any of that stuff because I


was always scared that I was going

to hurt myself,


which I guess as an adult, it probably was

good that I never did any of that stuff.


I never did too much.


But yeah, no, I did six months

of physical therapy And I loved it.


I love water aerobics,

but that's my thing.


Water aerobics are good.



Yeah, you're just floating.


So there's really no way to really hurt


yourself because I'm

always scared of that.


But what are some positives and what


are some negatives of your career?

How's it?


This goes on.


Changing lives for the long haul

definitely is the number one positive.


Negatives are I mean, it's a grind,

especially in the beginning for a while.


It took me...


It got me to a place where

I need to make a decision.


Am I going to keep training in gyms?


Am I going to get my own gym?


Am I going to try and scale my own gym,


start hiring, get a gym and hire

some clients, some other trainers.



that's probably more of the negative


because at one point,

you need to make a decision.


If you find yourself

Training your life away.


And it was hard.


It was difficult at times

just trying to have some time for myself


or even have time for me to go to the gym

because I'm up at 5:00 and I get a little


break, like early afternoon time,

and then I'm back training again because


you get the next wave of clients that will

come in and be getting out of work.


And then you're training

them all until the evening.


And that is over and over and over.


I I get a Sunday off, but Saturdays can

be a day where there's a lot going on.


Then you need to write programs and update

or update programs, create new ones.


So what was your decision?


Money is always there.


The money's I was there.


But then you can only make

a certain amount of money.


That's some child.

How much am I going to charge a client?


I can only charge a client so

much to where it makes sense.


And then the other thing is if you're not


training a client,

you're not making money.


I can get the money ahead of time,


but if I'm not in front of you,

I'm not making that money.


And at some point, I need to get

in front of you physically.




If someone cancels,

you still get money, right?


Yeah, you got to hope on a cancel.


Where I'm from, it snows.


So we're used to the snow.


It's not like it snows.

It's too cold.


I'm not coming out to meet you at the gym.


I'm like, We're used to that.


Bundle up when we go.





I'll call a cancel if it's

a little drip drop of rain outside.


I'm not coming.


I'm not coming out.


It could be 85 degrees.


I'm not coming out.


So what was your decision?


Did you open up a gym or did

you- I never opened up a gym.


I would just I would run around.


As you know, we have

a train back home in Boston.


So I would go to


these luxury apartment complexes

where there was already gyms


in the bottom,

and then you had the apartments up top.


And I'd meet people,


they'd come off the elevator,

out of the apartment, whatever,


and then I'd meet them right in the gym

and then take off, go to the next one.


And that's what I did for a while.


And I forgot about COVID.


When COVID came, I lost all my clients,


and that's when I had to make

a decision of what I was going to do.


But I was already leaning

into it online training.


And so I became an online trainer.


I bought into this program that taught me

how to use this particular software where


you can create programs,

tons of videos on it.


I put them together,


and then I deliver that through an app,

and I still have it to this day.


So now at that point,

clients can now train on their own.


I create a program, I send it to them,

I put it on their calendar,


and they go right into my app

on that particular day and looking


at whatever they're doing for that day,

whether it be legs or


chest or some upper body workout,

high intensity, whatever I


decided to design their program

or however I decided to design it.


That's nice.

So what's the name of the app?


It's Silverback Fit, like the gorilla.


Silverback fit.


Silverback fit?




I train mostly men.


I trained women in the beginning,

and I chose to get away from that.




I just- put you on the spot.


Yeah, it's not.


I had some relations early

in the beginning until I realized


that the money wasn't going

to be made if I took that route.


And that was part of me being a mature.


But then also because I

connect very well with women.


So sometimes sessions were turned into


a stressed-out crying session

because they're going through it.


I trained different people in stressed-out

jobs, especially in the city in Boston.


There's a lot of stress.


It's a fast-paced city, and


The money might come with it, but the

stress comes with it times 10 as well.


And then sometimes people

just can't handle that.


A trainer can sometimes be a client's


therapist at times, and it ends up being

like, All right, we need to work out.


We've been crying for a half hour.


We've been talking for another 15.


You have 15 minutes left on this hour.


What do you want to do?


So with men,

it's not so much about being a little bit


more rough or like a drill sergeant,

but I can shut it down.


And a lot of times,

men want to get out of it.


They want to get home from work

and just get right to it.


I'm not going to have a man

crying on my shoulder.


And then first thing in the morning,

guys want to just get right to it.


Like, Hey, get out of here.

Hey, what's up?


Let's get going.


And then we have a different thing

about it sometimes when it's man to man.


Got you.


No, you're stereotyping

the hell out of women.


But I ain't going to lie,

with all my injuries and issues with my


body, that's a soft spot for me,

and I will get to crying.


I'll get to crying real quick.


We can cry, but at some point,

what do we want to do this on another day?


I'll cry and then probably go home.


I'll be back.


Because at the end of the day,

I'm getting paid for it.


So I feel bad.


I'm not going to...


We're taking up an hour out of my day,


but it's also your hour,

but you're off to pay for this hour.


And if we're going to cry and be upset


and talk about things that's cool,

but I still need to get paid.


And we can't reschedule because

you're having a bad day.


You showed up.


You didn't cancel, you showed up.


So we got to show up and go and just

get it in, get it over with.


Oh, yeah.

No, definitely.


No, I would set a hard line at that.


If you show up, I'm getting paid.


I don't care if we're having a cry

session, a talk session, whatever.


I'm getting paid.


So make sure you put

that in your on track.


If you show up, and if you don't cancel,

I'm still going to get paid.


That's one thing I don't play with in

business is I'm going to give me money.


But Let's see.

I guess that would be some


of the negatives is having to be

someone's counselor all the damn time.


I know how that can get old.


Let's see.


What are some traits that would make

someone a great personal trainer?


Having the ability to meet

them where they're at.


Maybe Let me say, finding common ground.


Finding common ground

and being able to just...


You got to be able

to build a relationship.


I've seen trainers,

which I knew I had the advantage over,


but I've seen trainers where It's like

straight face, leaning on a machine.


The whole time you have a client training,


I see them leaning, looking at their

watch, looking at their phone.


I'm like, all of that.


If I'm a client, you're getting fired.


I catch you doing that one time.


You're not here to engage with me,

motivate me, push me.


I'm tired and getting ready for work.


Let me get this momentum going

or I just get out of work.


I had a long day.


I need to get a good workout,

and I'm not here to just drag along.


And meeting them where

they're at, too, again.


So it's like,

for me, energy is going to change,


but the effort doesn't,

meaning it's not a nervous thing for me.


I might not be able to


get as many As much of an ab workout,

the ab workout won't be as intense maybe


as it was last Wednesday,

but my effort is always going to be there.


So I'm still going to get results.


I'm not going to, Okay, I got 12.


No, That 12 rep, I really felt that.


So that's just the thing right there.


You got to recognize

being able to recognize where that client


is for that day

and for that particular session.


So that's what it is.


Meeting them where they're

at and building good relationship.




What are some tips and tricks you would


give someone that wanted

to be a personal trainer?


Is there any shortcuts they can take?


Start early in life instead

of starting in their 40s?


Somebody wants to start in their 40s?


You always want to,

for one, get a certification.


And get a lot of repetition

as far as starting to train.


When you're first, clients should be

friends of yours that you can practice on.


Bringing them to your house if you have


a gym in the garage or

going to the gym with them.


That's a good thing.


And having confidence in yourself,

having belief in yourself,


knowing what you're doing,

pay attention to what you're doing,


knowing how to correct somebody's form and

understand that.


Because what you don't want


more than anything else is somebody

getting hurt while you're training them.


What did you wish you knew

before you started this career?


That I wish I knew.


I would say the business side of things.


Yeah, I would say the business side


of things, learning more about

getting like an LLC


and being able to tie all

of that in and getting into tax write offs


and understanding the business side of it,

the the Panua side of it.


I did think so much on the fly,

taking cash, literally.


If I could go back all over and start all


over, I would treat it just as a business

should be treated on the books,


get a LOC, and be consistent in that way,

being better with money.


Just treat it like a business.


Don't treat it like a hobby.


I'm going to the gym today,

train somebody.


I had that mentality sometime

because clients came to me.


It was easy for me because

it was home for one.


It's not that I always train people I

knew, but you get a lot of clients based


off of referrals at some point when

you're doing it for a long period of time.


I think a lot of people struggle


with the business side, and that's one

of the reasons why I studied accounting.


I took the first accounting class three


times before I was like, and I would drop

it and be like, I didn't want to do it.


I took it three times before I buckled

down and be like, Hey, get it done.


Then once I started getting into tax


and audit and things like that,

I started to like it.


But that has served me well because

accounting is the language of business.


Everybody wants to know what comes in,


what comes out,

and then tax is a huge one.


With the same.


The only thing guarantee

in life is death and taxes.


I tell people all the time, at least, at

least, to take an intro to business class.


Now we have YouTube and Cocera and all


these other places, Udemy,

where you can take stuff for free.


So there's really no reason because

they didn't have all that when I was


a kid, and they surely

didn't have it when you were.


But I'm showing my age.


But I told me, Well,

at least if you're going to start


a business, at least take a little

intro to in this class, please.


But outside of that, let's see.


Yeah, and last question is,


what would you tell someone

that wanted to start this career?


Be ready.


Bring your energy.


Be ready for the grind.


Take care of your body

and make sure that you have some Make


sure that you have either some money put

away already or you already have a job


that can pay you the bills

and that you don't burn yourself out.


Because what's going to happen is if you

do have a job that's paying the bills


and now you're trying to squeeze in this

new training career, you need time.


It's going to conflict.


You can't work a third shift regular job

and get out at...


When would that?


Yeah, then get out at, I don't know,

6:00 in the morning from in that third


shift job and think that you're going

to train clients that need you to be there


early in the morning and think

that you can continue that.


So you need to find a balance.


You need to find a balance

and find it quick.


I would say start off with some savings,

maybe three, four, five months,


even six months worth of some bills,

bill money already put away


and then jump into it because you're

not going to make money right away.


And I realized that in the beginning,


Real quick, actually,

that just because I have this reputable,


highly recognized certification,

doesn't mean I'm going to put that down


on the counter or at an interview at a gym

and say, okay, They give me my money.


They don't even know me.


They don't know me from a hole in a wall,

so I got to show and prove.


It don't matter regardless of what you're

doing in life, you get a certification


in anything or a degree in something,

you still have to show and prove.


I thought about being a cook years ago,

and And it was like, you'll literally come


out of a culinary school

and you might be prepping,


you might even be just helping out

around the kitchen, helping out the chef.


You're not going to just jump in and start


grabbing on, like grabbing this

bull by the horns right away.


You need to earn that spot.


So be ready.


Be ready for the grind and be

ready to not get paid right away.


You mentioned show and prove.


What does that mean exactly when

it comes to personal training?


When you went to, I'm just going to name


a gym, Planet Fitness

or something like that.


What did they ask you to do in order to

keep your spot instead of giving it to Mr.


Willy down the street?



You need to build

a reputation for yourself.


Your reputation needs to come

with getting clients' results.


Putting that together,

like having a portfolio


as you train clients,

have clients that We're not shy in taking


before and after pictures for you

because that's going to be a big deal.


That's going to help out a lot.


Recommend referrals.


But yeah, you definitely need to...


You need to build a reputation.







When I started my little entrepreneurship

journey in Mexico, I


came with a substantial amount of money,

I guess, especially Especially for Mexico.


I couldn't imagine starting a business


in America and having to have savings

because there's no health insurance.


You can't just go to the doctor.





You're all willy-nilly like you can

in Mexico or another country, which is...


After I've lived in another country,

it's really crazy to me.


As someone that has


worked in the healthcare industry,

and I have family members that work


in the healthcare industry,

I gripe about it all the time.


That alone stifles entrepreneurship

in the United States.


But yeah, I'll totally agree that you

definitely need some savings if you're


going to pursue probably

pretty much anything in life.


Sure, that new career, entrepreneurship,


whatever, whatever, because

unfortunately, it may not work out.


Anything else you want to say?



I think that's pretty much it.


And honestly,


if I would say one more thing,

because I'm a true believer


in And that you can love what you're

doing and make money off of it.


So if


you really want to do something and you

really love whatever that is,


have belief in yourself, pursue it,

be patient, and definitely don't give up.


And that's something that's a part of me


that caused a lot of restarting over

in so many areas in times of my life.


I I say caused a lot of setbacks because


I've attempted a couple

of different things.


It's always a start.


You got to start from scratch again.

You get to start from scratch again.


You get to start from scratch again.


Just really know what you want to do

and then go all out.


Go all out, don't stop,

and believe in yourself.


No, definitely.


I don't like to call them setbacks

because everything's a learning lesson.


It is.


To my point, what I mean is if you're


starting from scratch every single time,

it is an experience.


But my brother would tell me,

Stay in doing one thing.


Lock in on this and then stay doing that


instead of like, I'm just tired of this

after I just invested money and time.


Whether it be school, because I was going

to be not a therapist, a psychologist.


I went to a community school back home

in Boston for a little bit working with...


I was working with high-risk teens,

and then I stopped going to school.


And then I was like,

What am I going to do now?


I thought about being a bobo.


And I didn't pursue that.


I should have, could have,

whatever I didn't.


And then became a trainer.


I see it as you're trying to figure out


what you want to do,

which is perfectly fine.


And unfortunately, that costs time and it


costs money, and you ain't

never going to get it back.


But once you find

what it is that you want to do,


you look back and be like,

Oh, it wasn't really a waste.


You were learning along the way because


you took everything that you did and you

put it in your personal training.


I'm a thousand % sure of that.


But sometimes you got to do that in order

to find where you're trying be.


When I was in Mexico,

for the first two years, I


told myself I wanted to learn Spanish,

but I wasn't really learning it.


I just had to, number one,


mourn and number two, just figure

out the lay of the land, basically.


I'm in this huge city,

and I'm finding friends,


and learning where to go to the doctor,

and all that good stuff.


To me, when I was in the thick of it,

I was like, damn, you lost two years.


And I'm like, no, you don't have to lose

two years because now you know a big-ass


city, and you got people you can kick

it when you go down there all the time.


I have a whole adopted family

and everything else now.


It's really crazy.


You beat yourself up about it,

but in reality, you really shouldn't.


So But yeah, that's just how I see it.


And I agree.


I don't disagree.


My thing is it's really good to just own


in on something

instead of bouncing around.


But yeah, you do.


There's always a positive,

and I do the same.


I always make sure that I see

the positive, the light in that.


It wasn't a dark time, but I always

make sure that I look for that positive.


And I have a lot

of experiences from in that.


Yeah, definitely.

As long as you're not hurting yourself or


anyone else, I don't see

it as a serious loss.


You can get money again.


You may not get that time back,


but you take that experience

and use it probably every day now.


Was it really a loss?


No, it wasn't.


It's just your journey.


Just your journey.




All right, Joshua,

we're going to close it out.


Thank you for coming on the show.


I appreciate it.


Tell me, tell people where to find you.


So you can find me on Instagram at



The last name is spelled B-A-C-H-A-N-D.


It's the same exact for Facebook.


And all my information is

in there in my profile and my bio.


And look out for my merch.


I'm going to be starting that pretty soon.


It's actually in the making right now.


I have my logo and everything else,

and we're putting that out.


And yeah, just pushing along.


So if anybody wants to follow me or learn

anything that I have


that they can possibly be inspired by or

need help in, whatever, let me know.


Easy to reach.

All right.


Thank you, you all for listening,

watching wherever you all at.


My name is Elyse Robinson with

Nobody Wants to Work, though, podcast.


And until next time..